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Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Hello to All,
It is with great pleasure and excitement that we present to you the Frankston 2025 Online Community Forum. We have received much interest and support for this forum since we began the Frankston 2025 journey in September 2006.
Please remember to read through the guidelines before posting your comments. It would be a shame to remove postings, or jeopardize this forum all together by not following some simple house rules.
I look forward to reading your comments!
Rachel Weaver
Frankston City Council.
Posted by Rachel Weaver on Friday, 20 October 2006 at 8:54:37 AM |
Frankston 2025 ConferenceI just wanted to say what a fantastic day and a half I experienced at the Frankston 2025 conference. It was great to see so many people from all sections of our community working together to achieve a vision for Frankston in the future. Posted by Nicola Cuthbertson on Friday, 20 October 2006 at 11:32:05 AM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Thanks to all that had a part in the Frankston 2025 Visioning. The energy and enthusiasm created was felt by all participants. The mind map gave an indication of the massive number of issues that need to be confronted.
To me, there were 2 distinct, unanimous statements that came from the conference;
1/ That the environment was a concern to all.
2/ That the 2025 process must continue.
An unexpected theme common to participants after the stakeholder session was the disconnectedness and isolation felt by those who cared enough to be active in progressing Frankston.
Perhaps this forum can be the beginning of the end of isolation, and the first step towards making Frankston a Sustainable Community and City.
Posted by Richard Laverack on Wednesday, 25 October 2006 at 1:46:55 PM |
workshops continueMy company, thehumphreysgroup, is facilitating the Frankston 2025 community workshops.It was great to see so many people at the high school last night - thankyou all for coming. Our next workshop is on Tuesday evening (31st) at 7.30 at the Church of Christ round room in Cranbourne Road. We hope to see a great rollup to this 2 hour workshop. Please tell your friends and family to come and have their say about their vision for Frankston in 2025. Joy Humphreys, thehumphreysgroup. Posted by Joy Humphreys on Thursday, 26 October 2006 at 12:53:24 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Great initiative Rachel. Look forward to getting involved on my return to work. Posted by Tracey Purcell on Monday, 30 October 2006 at 4:22:34 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Hello to All,
People have asked me how can they be involved in the Frankston 2025 community visioning initiative now that the Conference and Community Workshops are over.
If you are reading this message, you will have access to the Frankston 2025 Web site. To complete a Frankston 2025 Online Community Survey, please go to the "About Frankston 2025" page. The survey should take about 10 minutes to complete. Please encourage others to complete the survey!
Alternatively, please don't hesitate to call me if you require further information on (03) 9784 1067 or e-mail: frankston2025@frankston.vic.gov.au
Rachel Weaver
Frankston City Council Posted by Rachel Weaver on Thursday, 2 November 2006 at 9:38:59 AM |
workshop at the Church of Christthankyou to everyone who gave up two hours of their evening on Tuesday to participate in the workshop. We had a great turn out with more than 30 people helping us imagine Frankston in 2025. We worked well together to understand what we wanted to do and how much repsonsibility we would take to make it happen. Thankyou to Grant, Andrew and Sara for your hospitality. Joy Humphreys (facilitator) Posted by Joy Humphreys on Thursday, 2 November 2006 at 4:35:21 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!The Conference and Workshops are a good start. But I've found them so general that most often I did not understand what was meant by the expresssed ideas.
As an example, the need for a stronger sense of community was stated by many people. But I did not hear any details to explain exactly what better sense and/or expression of community was desired. Along the same subject, some expressed a sense of community isolation without explaining how this is felt.
I feel no social isolation nor do experience a lack of community definition even though I am an immigrant to Australia and have lived in Frankston for six years. What I do experience here is the very high value residents place on the importance of their day-to-day lives and the lack of time available to take care of the many family matters. This speaks to me of an intense desire to maximize the qualities of family life. In a slighly different vein, when I speak with my neighbors about getting together to put a gate in our yard fences so we can more easily get to one another(my house is on a battle-axe block so I have seven adjacent neighbors' yards and without gates they and I must take a long 60m to 120m walk to the street and to front doors),I meet resistence. They explain, in words as though I am a child, that they would lose privacy. This means that they might actually see me when they did not wish to be seen. They have a fence without a gate to prevent unwanted socialization.
This personal exammple leads me to wonder whether those people, who have stated they want a stronger community, realize to achieve it they must give up something private. They would have to sacrifice. They would have to give up something they feel is their own control.
So for me it seems for us to achieve a stronger community social life and idenity we must be willing to trade-off something valuable. What are these people willing to give up? Posted by Lou Sauer on Sunday, 5 November 2006 at 12:46:36 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Rachel
Do you, and Joy Humphreys, find it as strange as I do for the lack of participation in this Forum?
Posted by Lou Sauer on Wednesday, 20 December 2006 at 10:36:44 AM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Hi All,
Strange to be talking thro' a forum Lou, but your post was a perfect example of the disconnectedness within the City of Frankston. The lack of any sense of community from the largely anglo saxon heritage is no surprise. As you know, there are scores of community groups ALL burrowing away at their respective "mission", and NEVER extending parameters to look at bigger pictures.
This whole visioning exercise is part of Local Agenda 21, you know, sustainabiity, but I doubt that has ever been mentioned once.
There was a severe lack of take - up on the visioning in Seaford, Carrum Downs and Langwarrin, a really poor turn out given the number of 'active' community groups in the area. This mirrors the complete lack of networking between the groups. The same is reflected in Sweetwater Creek groups etc etc.
The lack of context for the visioning is a problem. There was no programmed follow up even though this is the first of many steps to a sustainable Frankston City. All we have now is a vision. So what ? Who is going to translate that vision beyond just motherhood statements ? without continued community involvement, this exercise is meaningless. What are the goals/objectives of the vision ? what are the strategies to be employed in achieving the vision ? what are the big picture trends that will inform us as to the achievability of the vision ? what are the assets that the City has, or is lacking, to achieve the vision ?
There is so much more to be determined in this process and before any more work is done, there needs to be an awful lot more groundwork/info to place this excercise in context.
Thankfully, the steering group is to reconvene Feb/March 07, 5 months after the conference. This is just too long.
Posted by richard laverack on Tuesday, 26 December 2006 at 8:11:34 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Richard,
Happy New Year! Since the launch of Frankston 2025, Frankston City Council has engaged with over 650 people from across the municipality exploring their vision for Frankston City in 2025. This is a far sight less than the 119,000 people who live in the municipality, though in my opinion, I feel that we have all done a great job so far in getting to as many people as we have since its launch in September 2006. I think it is important also to recognise that this is really just the beginning of a long-term journey.
I don’t entirely agree with you that ‘there has been no programmed follow up’. As you may be aware, Joy (the external facilitator) and I have been very busy consulting with the Councillors, community groups, committees, with local residents and visitors to Frankston at local events right up until to December 2006. The last three months have been extremely busy and this additional consultation was planned all along. We never intended to develop a vision without putting in the extra effort to hear from people that would normally not participate in this sort of exercise.
At this stage, we don’t yet have a vision for Frankston 2025 (hence no goals/objectives etc). What we have is an enormous amount of really valuable and insightful information from many people who dedicated their time to share with us their views and aspirations for the long-term future of Frankston City. This information will take months to collate and evaluate and we are currently in the process of doing this. We don’t take this exercise lightly, it is a very important stage that must be done well, otherwise it can potentially undo all the good work that we have so far achieved.
Throughout the process the Council has endeavored to explore with our community the best way forward – in particular, how to continue to motivate and involve our community in the visioning process. There has been strong support for an ongoing role for a steering group which we are now developing terms of reference for. I am pleased that this suggestion came from our community and that we have been able to act on this with the full support of the Council. Please note that we will be calling for nominations for this group in the coming months.
Long term I agree with you and Lou that our major challenge will be translating the vision into reality and encouraging people to respond to the challenge. I have no easy answers to all of this; suffice to say that we are committed to the process and one of the few local governments in Victoria contributing the resources to developing a long term (20 year) plan with our community. I would imagine that you will struggle to find too many others that are attempting to do the same (it’s generally not much of a priority or a legislative requirement). We are doing this because we believe it’s the main way forward to ensure a sustainable future for Frankston City.
I look forward to working with you in 2007 to ensure that the Frankston 2025 vision truly becomes a reality. :-)
Posted by Rachel Weaver on Monday, 8 January 2007 at 5:31:16 PM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!Hi
I have read with interest the comments made and have to say that I do not entirely agree with the conclusions that have been expressed by some.
I have a desire for a greater sense of community and do not believe one must give up the things one values to achieve this. I also believe that tagging the isolation people feel to an Anglo Saxon trait horribly inaccurate.
There are greater examples of isolationist peoples around the world and even within these there is a strong sense of community.
I believe often the only things that people need to give up to embrace and enjoy a sense of community are fear, mistrust and time.
I understand that in Lou’s case the proposal for gates was resisted by your neighbors but what most people really mean by privacy is in fact a fear. A fear of being judged and the unknown along with the fear that our media instills in us every single day. Everyone that watches television or reads the paper is bombarded with stories of pedophiles next door, mass murderers, drug fiends, criminal masterminds or cult leaders around every corner. Leaving aside this fear why is a person’s willingness or otherwise to have some gates an impediment to community or a sign of lack of interest in development of community? I also find the suggestion that the desire for privacy is in some way contrary to the notion of community. It is my understanding that people in some of the best examples of community have doors on their homes and fences around their property.
Community is how we behave toward one another and our preparedness to share and work together toward the common good and it develops with an atmosphere of trust and understanding that cannot be forced upon anyone or manufactured but by a gentle support from all in our community whether government or social/ community groups or just well meaning neighbors.
I personally believe going out of ones way by 60m or 120m is a cheap price to pay to develop a sense of community. I one has never felt some sense of isolation or lacked community in their lives then such a person is truly fortunate. I, and many of the people I have met have experienced some sense of isolation at some point though it if the concept is foreign to you may never really understand but you need to take the time to talk to people if you really want to know and understand.
I agree that there are many community groups that for various reasons get trapped in their restrictive “PARRAMETERS” and fail to reach their potential in their support of developing community. I guess our society has embraced the “Mission statement” as the statement of limitation and we could look at embracing a “and the we go to where no-one has gone before” statement.
Thanks I feel so much better I have got that off my chest.
Posted by Russell McLeod on Sunday, 25 February 2007 at 2:39:18 AM |
Re: Welcome to the Frankston 2025 Online Forum!The Langwarrin forum was a step in the right direction.The "pudding proof" will be the final document. Langwarrin residents raised concerns about the lack of community facilities such as a library, senior citizens centre, youth centre and a very disjointed footpath network. The first part of a journey by public transport to/from Langwarrin begins by walking to a bus stop. The current rate of bushland clearing in Langwarrin is of great concern. Langwarrin residents are very keen to see our 3 local environmentally sensitive creeks (Boggy, Little Boggy and Tamarisk)be awarded the protection that they deserve. Langwarrin residents made it clear that we do not want our extractive industry sites turned into rubbish tips. Frankston Council must insist that these sites are rehabilited for public uses such as parklands, wetlands, etc. Frankston Council now has a unique opportunity to build stronger relationships with the Langwarrin community for the benefit of all residents.
Heinz Reitmeier, Langwarrin. Posted by Heinz Reitmeier on Saturday, 10 March 2007 at 10:47:57 AM |
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